[Unedited] Rami Nashashibi and Lucas Johnson with Krista Tippett
b'Community organizers Rami Nashashibi and Lucas Johnson have much to teach us about using love \\u2014 the most reliable muscle of human transformation \\u2014 as a practical public good. Nashashibi is the founder of the Inner-City Muslim Action Network, a force for social healing on Chicago\\u2019s South Side. Johnson is the newly-named executive director of The On Being Project\\u2019s Civil Conversations Project. In a world of division, they say despair is not an option \\u2014 and that the work of social healing requires us to get \\u201cproximate to pain.\\u201d\\nRami Nashashibi is founder and executive director of the Inner-City Muslim Action Network (IMAN) in Chicago. He was named a MacArthur fellow in 2017 and an Opus Prize laureate in 2018.\\nLucas Johnson is the executive director of The On Being Project\\u2019s Civil Conversations Project. He was previously international coordinator for the International Fellowship of Reconciliation, a century-old peace-building organization. Lucas is also a community organizer, writer, and a minister in the American Baptist Churches.\\nThis interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \\u201cRami Nashashibi and Lucas Johnson \\u2014 Community Organizing as a Spiritual Practice.\\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.'