[Unedited] Frances Kissling with Krista Tippett
b'From abortion activist to bridge person. Questions to break out of intractable polarization. Wisdom beyond the news cycle. \\u201cWhat is it in your own position that gives you trouble? What is it in the position of the other that you are attracted to?\\u201d\\nThe focus of our national fight over abortion may change, but this hasn\\u2019t changed for decades: we collapse this most intimate and complex of human dilemmas to two sides. We\\u2019ve been looking yet again for wisdom away from the turbulent news cycle and keep returning to this conversation Krista had with Frances Kissling. She is a \\u201cbridge person\\u201d in the abortion debate: a long-time pro-choice activist who has sought to come into relationship with her political opposites. Now she\\u2019s controversial on both sides, but speaks from a place that many of us would like to map out between the poles. She has experienced something more powerful, as she tells it, than defining common ground \\u2014 and this has lessons for other issues in our common life and our struggles with people with whom we disagree the most.\\nFrances Kissling is president of the Center for Health, Ethics and Social Policy. She was the president of Catholics for Choice from 1982 until 2007.\\nThis interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \\u201cFrances Kissling \\u2014 What Is Good in the Position of the Other.\\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.'