[Unedited] Arthur Zajonc and Michael McCullough
b'Arthur Zajonc is president of the Mind and Life Institute. He is emeritus professor of physics at Amherst College, where he taught from 1978 to 2012. His books include \\u201cMeditation as Contemplative Inquiry: When Knowing Becomes Love\\u201d and \\u201cThe Heart of Higher Education: A Call to Renewal.\\u201d Michael McCullough is professor of psychology at the University of Miami, where he directs the Evolution and Human Behavior Laboratory. He\\u2019s the author of \\u201cBeyond Revenge: The Evolution of the Forgiveness Instinct.\\u201d This interview is edited and produced with music and other features in the On Being episode \\u201cArthur Zajonc + Michael McCullough \\u2014 Mind and Morality: A Dialogue.\\u201d Find more at onbeing.org.'