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George Saunders is the author of eleven books. His latest is\xa0A Swim in a Pond in the Rain: In Which Four Russians Give a Master Class on Writing, Reading, and Life.\n\u201dI really have so much affection for being alive. I really enjoy it. And yet, I\u2019m a little negative minded in a lot of ways too, like I really think things tend to be fucked up. ... To get that on the page\u2014to sufficiently praise the loveliness of the world without being a sap, and also lacerate the world for being so goddamn mean\u2014to do those in the same story would be a great aspiration. And I haven\u2019t gotten there yet.\u201d\nShow notes:\n\ngeorgesaundersbooks.com\n\nSaunders on Longform\n\n\nSaunders on the Longform Podcast\xa0(Jan 2014)\n\nSaunders'\xa0Story Club\xa0newsletter\n\n16:00\xa0"First Thohts on Reviision"\xa0(Story Club \u2022 Dec 2021)\n\n28:00\xa0"The Great Divider"\xa0(GQ \u2022 Jan 2007)\n\n48:00\xa0"Sea Oak"\xa0(New Yorker \u2022 Dec 1998)\n\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices