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b'Jon Caramanica is a music writer at The New York Times.\\n\\n\\u201cI like to interview people very early in their careers or very late in their careers. I think vulnerability and willingness to be vulnerable is at a peak in those two parts. Young enough not to know better, old enough not to give a damn. \\u2026 The story I want to tell is\\u2014how are you this person, and then you became this? Then at the end, let\\u2019s look back on these things and let\\u2019s paint the art together. But in the middle when your primary obsession is how do I protect my role? How do I keep my spot? How do I keep the throne? I\\u2019m not as interested in that personally as a journalist or as a critic. \\u201d\\n\\nThanks to MailChimp, Read This Summer, Google Play, and Pitt Writers for sponsoring this week\'s episode.\\n\\n\\n@joncaramanica\\n\\n\\nCaramanica on Longform\\n\\n\\n[3:35] "The Education of Kanye West" (New York Times \\u2022 Aug 2007)\\n\\n\\n[4:00] Caramanica\'s archive at The New York Times\\n\\n\\n[4:05] Popcast\\n\\n\\n[13:30] "Pitched to Perfection: Pop Star\'s Silent Partner" (New York Times \\u2022 Jun 2012)\\n\\n\\n[25:45] "Two SoundCloud Rap Outlaws Push Boundaries From the Fringes" (New York Times \\u2022 Mar 2018)\\n\\n\\n[28:45] "Dick Cavett in the Digital Age" (Alex Williams \\u2022 New York Times \\u2022 Aug 2018)\\n\\n\\n[28:55] "Hip-Hop\\u2019s Elders and Youth Go to Battle (Again)" (New York Times \\u2022 Jan 2017)\\n\\n\\n[34:10] "Into the Wild\\nWith Kanye West" (New York Times \\u2022 Jun 2018)\\n\\n\\n[57:10] "Post Malone and Rae Sremmurd, Hip-Hop Impressionists Shaping the Stream" (New York Times \\u2022 May 2018)\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices'