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I was so pleased to get to know Kathryn Cloward and her incredible story.  Kathryn is an award-winning book series author, performing songwriter, media publisher and producer, and serial entrepreneur. She is also the founder and CEO of Kandon Unlimited, Inc., a heart-centered mindful media company intent on creating positive and empowering media for people of all ages.  Our conversation covered so much ground including her childhood dreams, important values and lessons passed on from her parents, and her relentless work ethic getting through college and starting her career.  We learned about her life in the corporate world, the challenges she faced and how her strong belief in herself propelled her to great achievements as an artist and a business owner. It was these experiences as a child and as an adult that led to the launch of her Kathryn the Grape brand.  Kathryn (both the author and the character) share important affirmations that help children understand their abilities, specialness and magical powers.  These very same themes drive Kathryn Cloward’s songwriting career for adult audiences. Sometimes you need to break down before you can break through. We also discuss numerous other topics including Father Joe, Jennifer Klein, Belly Up Tavern, Navajo, Patrick Henry High School, San Diego State University, Grossmont College, the Great Recession, David Koresh, Waco, Gaby Dow, Steve Dow, gratitude, social and emotional learning, matrix, waffles, joyfulness, authenticity, fear, comfort zones, the color purple, Golden Eagle Insurance, Sears Roebuck, Glengarry Glen Ross, cold calling, National MPS Society, Dora the Explorer, publishing rights, girls softball, The Ripple Effect. JRP0085 Kathryn Cloward Info: Kathryn Cloward Website:  https://kathryncloward.com Kathryn the Grape:  https://kathrynthegrape.com/ John Riley Project Info: Bookings? Inquiries? Contact me at https://johnrileyproject.com/ Donations: https://www.patreon.com/johnrileyproject Sponsorship Inquiries: https://johnrileyproject.com/sponsorship/ YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJJSzeIW2A-AeT7gwonglMA Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/johnrileyproject/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/JohnRileyPoway Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnrileypoway/ iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-riley-project-podcast/id1435944995?mt=2 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3llrMItpbx9JRa08UTrswA Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/john-riley-project Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9qb2hucmlsZXlwcm9qZWN0LmNvbS9mZWVkLw Tune In: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Arts--Culture-Podcasts/John-Riley-Project-Podcast-p1154415/ Listen Notes: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/john-riley-project-john-riley-2l4rEIo1RJM/ Music: https://www.purple-planet.com