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Oh boy, so we dive into this episode figuring out what\'s going on with Java EE 8 (and 9), pay our respects to java.net (it\'s now decommissioned), dive into Kotlin (this one seems to stick), and then discuss how JS is not as wild-west as it used to be (and some MVC pattern disagreements). In all, entertaining, and interesting podcast. \\xa0
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