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In this episode, Chris speaks with Nonhuman Rights Project Executive Director Kevin Schneider about the rights of nonhuman animals, habeas corpus, and the challenges of representing nonhumans in the courtroom.

SFX: "Windy Transition" by pcruzn

Music: Fearless First Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

link to article discussed in the introduction: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/animal-grief/