E259: David Nordel on understanding PTSD and Moral Injury in the Military

Published: Aug. 26, 2024, 5 a.m.

David is a retired United States Air Force Command Chief Master Sergeant with over 30 years of service. He is the CEO of MAX FAB Consulting where they focus on veteran transition and leadership.

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It was with his own difficulty with transition, addiction, and PTSD that sparked him to create a better path for those after him. As David says, "Many veterans, including myself, have struggled with moral injury and the mental anguish that can come if not addressed."

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Summary

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Dave shares his upbringing on a farm, the qualities he learned growing up, and how it led him to join the Air Force. He discusses the challenges of military life, the impact of PTSD and moral injury, and the importance of seeking help and support. Dave emphasizes the need to shift from a victim mentality to taking ownership of one's struggles and seeking professional counseling. He also highlights the significance of open communication and building a support network. Dave Nordel shares his experiences and insights on leadership, vulnerability, and the importance of closing the gap in assumptions and bias. He emphasizes the need for leaders to have the courage to challenge their own perceptions and listen to others' perspectives. Nordel also discusses the concept of maximum fabulousness and how it can be applied to leadership. He highlights the importance of understanding and leveraging the unique skills and experiences that veterans bring to the table. Nordel's consulting company, Max Fab Consulting, focuses on helping organizations navigate the veteran transition process.

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Chapters

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00:00 Introduction and Thanking Dave for His Service

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02:00 Dave's Journey: From Farm Life to the Air Force

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09:11 Understanding PTSD and Moral Injury

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16:11 Moving from Victim Mentality to Ownership

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23:16 The Power of Education and Seeking Help

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26:31 Overcoming Challenges and the Importance of Communication

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30:49 Closing the 25 Yard Gap

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32:37 Challenging Assumptions and Bias

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36:02 The Power of Vulnerability in Leadership

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44:41 Leadership: A Squishy and Non-Linear Journey

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51:32 Supporting Veterans in Transition

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You can find David at the website below.

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https://maxfabconsulting.com/dave-nordel-founder/

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https://getvetready.org/ You can donate here to help veterans.

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