Policy Voices | Beyond the bare minimum: Fossil fuel phase-down a must at COP28
b"Ahead of COP28 in Dubai, the stakes have never been higher and the expectations never lower. In two days, 70,000 people will be descending in Dubai and we spoke with one of them. Sandrine Dixson-Decl\\xe8ve, President of the Club of Rome, makes the case for why we need to move beyond the business that has to happen and frames success as a pledge around fossil-fuel phase-down. Dixson-Decl\\xe8ve is joined by Luke O\\u2019Callaghan-White, Programme Manager for Climate, Energy & Sustainability at Friends of Europe, and host Catarina Vila Nova, to discuss what is one of the most controversial COP's of the last three decades."