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b'Mark Melton speaks with Paul D. Miller about his recent book "Just War and Ordered Liberty" (Cambridge University Press, January 2021, available here: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Ordered-Liberty-Paul-Miller-ebook/dp/B08QD19SB8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr). Miller explains how just war thinking has shifted over the centuries\\u2014from Augustinian, Westphalian, and now Liberal traditions. They also cover how Miller\\u2019s view of just war would allow for the defense of ordered liberty to serve as a just cause for war, whereas proponents of a Westphalian view of sovereignty would say such a war is wrong. Miller also explains how Liberal ideas about sovereignty compare to the notion of responsibility to protect (R2P), which has its roots in the Augustinian just war tradition. \\n\\nIn the book, Miller writes at length about "jus post bellum," or justice after war, so in the podcast he and Melton cover this topic and why this category is helpful, even though some proponents of the just war tradition do not use it. \\n\\nFinally, Miller talks about foreign policy implications of his ideas\\u2014particularly on whether Americans would be willing to do what is necessary to secure ordered liberty in another country after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, what countries must consider if war with North Korea becomes necessary, the problems drones can present for ethicists considering the \\u201cForever War,\\u201d and what the just war tradition might say about cyberattacks.\\n\\nFor further reading be sure to see Miller\\u2019s articles about Augustinian Liberalism\\u2014\\u201cAugustinian Liberalism: A Symposium\\u201d and \\u201cAugustine of Hippo, Christian Democrat\\u201d (available here: https://providencemag.com/2019/09/augustinian-liberalism-symposium/ and https://providencemag.com/2019/09/augustine-of-hippo-christian-democrat/). Also, be sure to buy and read his book, which also responds to critics who say this liberal view would lead to imperialism.\\n\\nListeners can purchase the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Just-Ordered-Liberty-Paul-Miller-ebook/dp/B08QD19SB8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr\\n\\nPaul D. Miller is a professor in the practice of international affairs at Georgetown University\\u2019s School of Foreign Service, a contributing editor of Providence, a research fellow with the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, and a senior fellow with the Atlantic Council.'