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This week has been dominated by arguments about how and when Australia should open up again. The PM says soaring Covid-19 case numbers in NSW don’t matter, leading epidemiologists say they do. We find out who’s right. Sarah and Amanda also look into what Australia is doing to help Afghan refugees fleeing the Taliban with a Liberal MP who says we should take more. 

Guests: 

- Professor Tony Blakely, Public Health Medicine Specialist and Epidemiologist at the Melbourne SChool of Population and Global Health at the University of Melbourne

- John Alexander MP, Liberal Member for Bennelong

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