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b"With President Joe Biden announcing the forthcoming withdrawal of ground troops from Afghanistan, the West\\u2019s 20 year war in Afghanistan is drawing to a close. Allan and Darren open this week\\u2019s podcast with a discussion of whether this is the right decision, and what lessons we should take from this decades-long conflict. The episode then turns to a busy week in bilateral relations with China for both New Zealand and Australia. Kiwi Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta gave her first major speech on China, and followed it with some controversial comments (in Australia, at least) about the expansion of the remit of the Five Eyes intelligence grouping. Meanwhile, the Australian government used purpose-built legislation to cancel two memoranda of understanding between the Victorian state government and the Chinese government on the Belt and Road Initiative \\u2013 to Beijing\\u2019s predictable displeasure. Does this past week reveal a split in the two countries\\u2019 approach to China? What is the logic of each approach? Finally, Japan\\u2019s Prime Minister Suga met with Joe Biden at the White House, with China front and centre of the discussion\\u2014what are the major takeaways?\\nWe thank AIIA intern Dominique Yap for research and audio editing, and thanks also to Rory Stenning for composing our theme music.\\nRelevant Links\\n\\u201cRemarks by President Biden on the Way Forward in Afghanistan\\u201d, 14 April 2021: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/14/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-way-forward-in-afghanistan/\\nScott Morrison, Press Conference, Stirling Community Centre, WA, 15 April 2021: https://www.pm.gov.au/media/press-conference-stirling-community-centre-wa\\nNanaia Mahuta, \\u201cHe Taniwha He Tipua, He Tipua He Taniwha - The Dragon and the Taniwha\\u201d, Speech to the NZ China Council, 19 April 2021: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/%E2%80%9Che-taniwha-he-tipua-he-tipua-he-taniwha-dragon-and-taniwha%E2%80%9D\\nJane Patterson, \\u201cNew Zealand, Australia foreign ministers discuss China, Five Eyes, 501 deportees\\u201d, Radio NZ, 23 April 2021: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/441073/new-zealand-australia-foreign-ministers-discuss-china-five-eyes-501-deportees\\n(Youtube Video) \\u201c'Beautiful to see': New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on the travel bubble | ABC News\\u201d [Ardern\\u2019s comments on Five Eyes], 20 April 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c1S2pIDKH8\\nAndrew Tillett, \\u201cDumped foreign deals were never used\\u201d, Australian Financial Review, 22 April 2021: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/dumped-foreign-deals-were-never-used-20210422-p57lhm\\nU.S.- Japan Joint Leaders\\u2019 Statement: \\u201cU.S. \\u2013 JAPAN GLOBAL PARTNERSHIP FOR A NEW ERA\\u201d, 16 April 2021: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/16/u-s-japan-joint-leaders-statement-u-s-japan-global-partnership-for-a-new-era/\\n(Youtube video) \\u201cHow New is the New Era? 2021 Annual Reischauer Lecture with Rana Mitter, Part 1\\u201d, 7 April 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3bi9N2NY6E\\nAdam Tooze, \\u201cThe gatekeeper\\u201d, London Review of Books, 22 April 2021: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n08/adam-tooze/the-gatekeeper\\nEzra Klein, \\u201cFour ways of looking at the radicalism of Joe Biden\\u201d, 8 April 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/opinion/biden-jobs-infrastructure-economy.html\\nC. Lee Shea, \\u201cThe longest telegram: A visionary blueprint for the comprehensive grand strategy against China we need\\u201d, War on the Rocks, 1 April 2021: https://warontherocks.com/2021/04/the-longest-telegram-a-visionary-blueprint-for-the-comprehensive-grand-strategy-against-china-we-need/"