Ep. 42: Covid-19 update; ASIO speaks; Morrison hosts Jokowi & Ardern

Published: March 9, 2020, 7:26 p.m.

b"Allan and Darren commence with an update on the novel coronavirus, now called Covid-19. How should we evaluate China\\u2019s handling of the outbreak? Given the struggles of some democratic systems\\u2014the United States in particular\\u2014is an authoritarian approach best for public health crises? Allan attended a recent speech by Labor parliamentarian Tim Watts on the health of Australia's democracy, and Watts' argument resonates here. Staying in Australia, the Morrison government has been on the front foot regarding Covid-19, getting out ahead of the World Health Organisation in declaring a pandemic\\u2014have we lost trust in the WHO, and what does the global response tell us about international cooperation more generally?\\xa0\\nThe conversation turns to ASIO, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, and the first annual threat assessment delivered by Director-General Mike Burgess. How does Allan feel about ASIO \\u201ccoming out of the shadows\\u201d like this and what are some of the drawbacks of establishing an annual statement? Is this a positive thing for Australia\\u2019s democracy? Should DFAT be looking to do something similar?\\nFinally, Prime Minister Morrison recently hosted the Indonesian President Joko Widodo and New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern for separate bilateral visits. Allan offers his thoughts on the state of both bilateral relationships while Darren asks: are Australia and Indonesia in a bit of a holding pattern right now, and does Allan have any advice for PM Ardern to get traction on the deportation issue, currently a major source of tension?\\xa0 \\xa0\\nAs always, we invite our listeners to email us at this address: australia.world.pod@gmail.com We welcome feedback, requests and suggestions. You can also contact Darren on twitter @limdarrenj\\nWe thank outgoing AIIA intern Isabel Hancock for her help with research and audio editing, and XC Chong for research, and also welcome incoming AIIA intern Maddy Gordon. Thanks also to Rory Stenning for composing our theme music.\\xa0\\nRelevant links\\nElizabeth Pisani, \\u201cThe unpalatable lesson of coronavirus: dictatorships can be effective\\u201d, Prospect Magazine, 28 February 2020: https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-unpalatable-lesson-of-coronavirus-dictatorships-can-be-effective-china-world-health-organisation\\nAustralian Government, Biosecurity Act 2015: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/C2015A00061\\nPeter Hartcher, \\u201cHow Australia defied global health authority on coronavirus\\u201d, Sydney Morning Herald, 28 February 2020: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/how-australia-defied-global-health-authority-on-coronavirus-20200228-p545hr.html\\nTim Watts, \\u201cDemocracy and the authoritarian challenge\\u201d, Lowy Lecture Series, National Press Club, Canberra, 27 February 2020: https://www.timwatts.net.au/news/transcripts/lowy-lecture-series-democracy-and-the-authoritarian-challenge/\\nLee Hsien Loong, \\u201con the COVID-19 situation in Singapore\\u201d, 8 February 2020: https://www.pmo.gov.sg/Newsroom/PM-Lee-Hsien-Loong-on-the-Novel-Coronavirus-nCoV-Situation-in-Singapore-on-8-February-2020\\nMike Burgess, \\u201cDirector-General\\u2019s Annual Threat Assessment\\u201d, Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, 24 February 2020: https://www.asio.gov.au/director-generals-annual-threat-assessment.html\\n\\u201cAddress by His Excellency Mr Joko Widodo, President of the Republic of Indonesia\\u201d, 9 February 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YnetrtC73M\\nABC News, \\u201cTensions rise between Morrison and Ardern over deportation of criminals\\u201d, 28 February 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGc2s9YCmGA\\nAndy Greenburg , Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin\\u2019s Most Dangerous Hacker: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/597684/sandworm-by-andy-greenberg/9780385544405\\nRory Medcalf, Contest for the Indo-Pacific: Why China Won\\u2019t Map the Future: https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/contest-indo-pacific\\nDavid Brooks, \\u201cThe nuclear family was a mistake\\u201d, The Atlantic, March 2020: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archiv"