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b'This episode we present an exclusive interview with Paul Symon AO, Director-General of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service, ASIS. As Australia\\u2019s \\u201ctop spook\\u201d, Paul is the only member of his organisation who can legally be identified. Indeed, the existence of ASIS was not publicly acknowledged until 1977 and not brought under formal legislation until 2001.\\nThis is a great privilege for us because this is the first time Paul has ever given a public interview.\\nBearing in mind \\u201cthe inevitable paradox inherent in publicising the achievements of an organisation whose activities are, by design, secret\\u201d, Allan commences the interview by asking Paul to describe what ASIS does (in a general sense), why Australia needs it, and to describe some of its achievements. Paul then speaks to the vital question of how the Australian public can be confident that ASIS is acting in ways consistent with our law and values given it operates in secret. Other questions include how ASIS decides what information to collect, how it manages technology in the 21st century, how it conducts risk assessments, and its work with both the Australian Defence Force (ADF) and the Five Eyes Partnership. Darren asks a personal question about the intersection of publicly available information and secret information in the context of public policy debates. The discussion finishes on the topic of recruitment \\u2013 how can Australians come to work for ASIS and what kind of people are sought?\\nPaul\\u2019s answers are fascinating and really offer remarkable insight into a unique (and normally very secretive) organisation.\\nAs always, we invite our listeners to email us at this address: australia.world.pod@gmail.com We welcome feedback, requests and suggestions. You can also contact Darren on twitter @limdarrenj\\nOur thanks go to AIIA intern Charlie Henshall for his help with audio editing, Rory Stenning for composing our theme music, and Martyn Pearce for technical assistance in studio.\\nRelevant links\\nPaul Symon\\u2019s \\xa0biography: https://www.asis.gov.au/About-Us/Message-from-DG.html\\nASIS homepage: https://www.asis.gov.au/\\n\\u201cThe most interesting job in the world\\u201d: http://www.morehumanintelligence.com.au/'