# 135 - Kristen & Jocelyn

Published: Aug. 27, 2020, 12:48 a.m.

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Today I chat with Kristen Macdermott who is a therapist that specializes in resilience and Jocelyn Baker who is a ghost writer. We talk about the resilience based parenting program they have been working on, the good and bad sides of the pandemic, the struggles our kids are facing, getting needs met, and much more!

For Kristen & Jocelyn\\u2019s program on \\u201cResilience Based Parenting\\u201d you can go to http://www.macdermottmethod.com/wotp\\xa0

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