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Antonio Juliano, founder of the decentralized exchange dYdX, and Eli Ben-Sasson, cofounder of StarkWare, discuss the recent launch of dYdX on Ethereum layer 2 using StarkWare\u2019s scaling technology. In this episode, they cover:\n\nwhat cross-margin perpetual trading is and why dYdX chose StarkWare to be its scaling partner (1:13)\n\nZK rollups and how they contrast with optimistic rollups (8:49)\n\nhow many transactions per second StarkWare can handle through its layer 2 solution (16:57)\n\nlessons learned and critical takeaways from their six months spent working together (20:15)\n\nthe similarities between Ethereum and StarkNet (26:07)\n\nwhy Antonio believes that scalability is more important than composability (27:30)\n\nthe benefits of decentralized exchanges and how dYdX fits into the dex marketplace (31:54)\n\nwhy dYdX chose Chainlink as its oracle provider, and how it got oracle prices onto layer 2, which previously had none (38:11)\n\nwhy Cairo, StarkWare\u2019s Turing-complete programming language and platform, can be the \u201cone verifier to rule them all\u201d (42:10)\n\nwhat it was like for StarkWare to compete in the Great Reddit Scaling Bake-Off (45:41)\n\nwhether or not DeFi could handle a GameStop/Robinhood situation (48:56)\n\nfair launch tokens versus VC tokens (54:12)\n\nthe likelihood of dYdX and StarkWare each creating a token (58:19)\n\nupcoming developments and projects for both companies (1:02:14)\n\n\xa0\nThank you to our sponsors!\xa0\nCrypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unchainedcardearnfeb2021\xa0\nDownload the Crypto.com app here: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/laurashinpodcasttesla\n\xa0\nSquare: https://square.com/go/unchained\n\xa0\nEpisode Links:\nAntonio Juliano\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/AntonioMJuliano\xa0\nEli Ben-Sasson\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/EliBenSasson\xa0\ndYdX\n\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/dydxprotocol\n\n\nWebsite: https://dydx.exchange/\xa0\n\nExchange: https://alpha.dydx.exchange/trade/BTC-USD\xa0\n\nReading Material\n\nRecent funding: https://www.coindesk.com/big-guns-back-10m-investment-in-defis-dydx\xa0\n\n2020 in review: https://dydx.exchange/2020.pdf\xa0\n\nDecrypt profile: https://decrypt.co/resources/dydx-ethereum-margin-trading-platform-explained-learn\xa0\n\nMedium post: https://medium.com/dydxderivatives/introducing-dydx-2d0f0f326fd\n\n\nStarkWare\n\nTwitter: https://twitter.com/StarkWareLtd\xa0\n\nWebsite: https://starkware.co/\xa0\n\nReading Material:\n\nZK roll-up explainer: https://medium.com/starkware/on-the-road-to-starknet-a-permissionless-stark-powered-l2-zk-rollup-83be53640880\xa0\n\nUnderstanding Cairo: https://medium.com/starkware/hello-cairo-3cb43b13b209\xa0\n\nFunding: https://www.coindesk.com/paradigm-leads-30-million-funding-for-crypto-privacy-startup-starkware\n\n\ndYdX and StarkWare Relationship\n\nOriginal Twitter announcement (2020):\xa0\n\n\n https://twitter.com/dydxprotocol/status/1295791012552597507?s=20\xa0\n\nThe Block\u2019s original coverage:\xa0\n\n\n https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/75209/dex-dydx-starkware-layer-2\xa0\n\nLayer 2 is live announcement:\xa0\n\n\n https://twitter.com/dydxprotocol/status/1364591430447091719\xa0\n\nBlog post on why dYdX is moving to Layer 2 (2021):\n\n\xa0https://dydx.exchange/blog/alpha\xa0\n\nCoinDesk\u2019s coverage:\xa0\n\n\n https://www.coindesk.com/defi-tech-cefi-speed-dydx-touts-new-starkware-integration\xa0\n\n\xa0\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices