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Dylan Byers visits Peter to discuss MSNBC\u2019s surprising decision to give Rachel Maddow\u2019s 9 p.m. hour to Alex Wagner, which seems like a white flag for the network\u2019s ambitions. Then Tina Nguyen and Ben Landy discuss how Cassidy Hutchinson's shocking testimony will impact Trump\u2019s 2024 plans.\n \nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\n \n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices