Bob Woodward on His Trump Tapes

Published: Jan. 6, 2023, 9 p.m.

Bob Woodward is not one to editorialize. But, during his interviews with Donald Trump at the time of the COVID-19 crisis, Woodward found himself shouting at the President\u2014explaining how to make a decision and trying to browbeat him into listening to public-health experts. Woodward has released audio recordings of some of their interviews in a new audiobook called \u201cThe Trump Tapes,\u201d which documents details of Trump\u2019s state of mind, and also of Woodward\u2019s process and craft. \u201cI could call him anytime, [and] he would call me,\u201d Woodward tells David Remnick. His wife, Elsa Walsh, \u201cused to joke [that] there\u2019s three of us in the marriage.\u201d And, in the wake of Damar Hamlin\u2019s accident, the staff writer Louisa Thomas talks with David Remnick about an uncomfortable truth: football\u2019s danger to players is part of its singular popularity.