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\u201cThe fact that everything collapsed so quickly to me vindicates Biden\u2019s decision,\u201d Jeet Heer says on this week\u2019s second episode of The New Abnormal. \u201cIf you read the Afghanistan Papers, none of what\u2019s happening is shocking. One of the big things that comes out of [the story] is the weakness of the Afghan government, which is really a pumpkin government,\u201d he tells Molly Jong-Fast and Jesse Cannon. \u201cLike it\u2019s like a bunch of guys with a phony-baloney jobs and offices and big sacks of money.\u201d Then they are joined by supermodel Carr\xe9 Otis, who earlier this month filed a lawsuit accusing former Elite Model Management executive Gerald Marie of sexually assaulting her multiple times in the 1980s. Also joining the podcast is The Washington Post\u2019s Greg Sargent, who in large part agreed with Heer. \u201cThis is kind of a real disastrous mess, but I think it probably was inevitable given all the failures that have led up to this point,\u201d Sargent says. \u201cAnd there\u2019s probably no neat and tidy way to do this. And in the end that, you know, it had to be done. That would be where a good chunk of mainstream Americans ends up landing.\u201d 

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