On this episode, Michael talks with Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland. They talk about how Governor Hogan survived cancer, and whether lessons learned apply to leading a state through a pandemic. They discuss the many choices facing the governors around the country right now, The absence of good leadership on the Federal level makes the role of governors and their cooperation with one another that much more imporant. Maryland governor Larry Hogan is the author of "Still Standing: Surviving Cancer, Riots, and the Toxic Politics that Divide America".