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Right now, someone, somewhere is being cancelled. Off-the-cuff tweets or \\u201charmless\\u201d office banter have the potential to wreck lives. The Left condemns the Right, and the bigotry of the old elites. The Right complains about brain-dead political correctness, and the erosion of liberal values. In reality, both sides are colluding in a reactionary, exclusionary politics that is as self-defeating as it is divisive. Can the Left escape this extremism and stay true to the progressive ideals it once professed?

In this provocative conversation based on his new book, Umut \\xd6zkirimli reveals the similarities between right-wing populism and radical identity politics, and sets out an alternative vision.

Shermer and \\xd6zkirimli discuss: identity politics, cancel culture \\u2022 woke, TERF, anti-fragility, anti-racism \\u2022 diversity, equity, and inclusion \\u2022 Ibram X. Kendi, Robin DiAngelo \\u2022 Loretta Ross, rape, retributive vs. restorative justice \\u2022 Woman\\u2019s March \\u2022 leftism, progressivism, democratic socialism, liberalism, classical liberalism, libertarianism, conservatism, populism, nationalism, white nationalism, authoritarianism, tyranny \\u2022 moral panics \\u2022 MAGA, Trump \\u2022 victimhood \\u2022 safetyism \\u2022 trigger warnings, safe spaces, microaggressions \\u2022 What Went Wrong?

Umut \\xd6zkirimli is a senior research fellow at IBEI (Institut Barcelona d\\u2019Estudis Internacionals), a professor at Blanquerna, Ramon Llull University, and a senior research associate at CIDOB (Barcelona Centre for International Affairs). His writings appear in the Guardian, openDemocracy, Times Higher Education, Huffington Post, among others. Find him on Twitter at @UOzkirimli and umutozkirimli.com.