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For this special edition of the Science Salon Podcast Dr. Shermer took a camera crew to Jared Diamond\\u2019s home in Los Angeles for an especially intimate portrait of the man and his theories. You won\\u2019t want to miss this conversation, one of the best we\\u2019ve yet recorded, with one of the most interesting minds of our time, perhaps of all time.

In his earlier bestsellers Guns, Germs and Steel and Collapse, Jared Diamond transformed our understanding of what makes civilizations rise and fall. Now, in the final book in this monumental trilogy, he reveals how successful nations recover from crisis through selective change \\u2014 a coping mechanism more commonly associated with personal trauma.

In a dazzling comparative study, Diamond shows us how seven countries have survived defining upheavals in the recent past \\u2014 from US Commodore Perry\\u2019s arrival in Japan to the Soviet invasion of Finland to Pinochet\\u2019s regime in Chile \\u2014 through a process of painful self-appraisal and adaptation, and he identifies patterns in the way that these distinct nations recovered from calamity. Looking ahead to the future, he investigates whether the United States, and the world, are squandering their natural advantages, on a path towards political conflict and decline. Or can we still learn from the lessons of the past?

Adding a psychological dimension to the awe-inspiring grasp of history, geography, economics, and anthropology that marks all Diamond\\u2019s work, Upheaval reveals how both nations and individuals can become more resilient. The result is a book that is epic, urgent, and groundbreaking.

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This Science Salon was recorded on March 13, 2019.

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