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Shermer and Ali discuss: \\u2022 the search for structure in nature \\u2022 order and randomness \\u2022 economic laws \\u2022 natural laws \\u2022 natural orders: molecular, quantum, crystals, carbonic, nuclear, magnetic \\u2022 hydrological, organismic, Gaia and Medea \\u2022 reductionism and holism \\u2022 Islamic economics \\u2022 the origin of wealth \\u2022 Is there an optimal economic order? \\u2022 how mining rights work in the U.S. and elsewhere \\u2022 the voter\\u2019s paradox \\u2022 Pareto optimality and why we can\\u2019t achieve it \\u2022 resource nationalism \\u2022 the resource curse \\u2022 why India and Pakistan have not used their nukes on each other \\u2022 social orders \\u2022 population and sustainability: neo-Malthusianism \\u2022 How many people can the Earth hold? \\u2022 why we need nuclear power for sustainability \\u2022 internationalism and globalism \\u2022 Trekonomics.

Saleem H. Ali was born in New Bedford, Massachusetts but grew up in Lahore, Pakistan until his college years, receiving his Bachelor\\u2019s degree in Chemistry from Tufts University, and his Masters and Ph.D. degrees in environmental policy and planning at Yale and MIT, respectively. He currently holds the Blue and Gold Distinguished Professorship in Geography and Spatial Sciences at the University of Delaware and is Honorary Professor at the University of Queensland (Australia). Dr. Ali\\u2019s laurels include being a National Geographic Explorer (having travelled for research to over 150 countries); being chosen as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum and serving on the seven-member science panel of the Global Environment Facility (the world\\u2019s largest multilateral trust fund for the environment held in trusteeship by the World Bank). His earlier books include Treasures of the Earth: Need Greed and a Sustainable Future. He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and the Royal Geographical Society in the United Kingdom and also serves on the boards of Adventure Scientists and Mediators Beyond Borders International. Along with his wife Maria and sons Shahmir and Shahroze, the family are citizens of Australia, Pakistan and the United States.