Chatter: Special Military Operations Against the Russians with Benjamin Wittes

Published: May 18, 2023, 8 p.m.

On April 13, 2022, in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes conducted his first \u201cspecial military operation\u201d at the Russian embassy in Washington, DC. It involved 14 theater stage lights that Wittes and other activists used to project images of the Ukrainian flag onto embassy walls. Since then, Wittes\u2019s special military operations have garnered increased attention and become more complex\u2014technically and diplomatically. 


In his conversation with Katherine Pompilio, one of Lawfare\u2019s associate editors and this week\u2019s Chatter guest host, Wittes talks about the genesis of these special military operations, what it\u2019s like conducting international negotiations with Russian diplomats via the U.S. Secret Service, the international law of light protests, how a paper mache washing machine is involved in all of this, his career, his other projects, and more.


Works mentioned in this episode:


Ben\u2019s Substack Dog Shirt Daily


The video Defect and Repent: A Laser Poem


The video "It's Almost Like the Russians Don't Negotiate in Good Faith": A Video Parable.


The video U.S. Ukrainian Activists Presents Umbrella Boy


The podcast #LiveFromUkraine: Katya Savchenko Survived Bucha\u2014and Wrote About It


The Washington Post article \u201cActivists train spotlight of Ukrainian flag on Russian Embassy\u201d


The video of the spotlight cat and mouse game


The work of Robin Bell


Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced and edited by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo. Podcast theme by David Priess, featuring music created using Groovepad.



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