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Outer space is back in style. For the first time in decades, NASA is sending astronauts back to the moon. Millionaires are exiting the atmosphere on a regular basis. And Elon Musk says humans may land on Mars to set up settlements by 2030. But would mastering space be worth it?

In their new book, \u201cA City on Mars,\u201d co-authors (and spouses) Dr. Kelly and Zach Weinersmith argue that it\u2019s probably not. From biology to engineering to international law, they charmingly survey the many charms and dangers that space inevitably entails, with pictures to boot. For this week\u2019s Chatter episode, Scott R. Anderson spoke with Kelly and Zach about their book, what role they think space exploration and settlement should play in humanity\u2019s future, and why space may not be all it\u2019s cracked up to be anytime soon.

Among the works mentioned in this episode:

• The book \u201cSoonish,\u201d also by Kelly and Zach.
• The book \u201cDark Skies: Space Expansionism, Planetary Geopolitics, and the Ends of Humanity\u201d by Daniel Deudney.
• The book \u201cThe Creation of States in International Law\u201d by James Crawford.
• The television series \u201cThe Expanse.\u201d
• The 1970s film \u201cLibra.\u201d
• The television series \u201cFor All Mankind.\u201d

Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced and edited by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo. Podcast theme by David Priess, featuring music created using Groovepad.

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