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b'The global decarbonization effort is colliding headfirst with the realities of great power politics. China currently controls more than 75 percent of the world\\u2019s electric vehicle battery and solar photovoltaic manufacturing supply chains. It also processes the bulk of the so-called critical minerals, like lithium, cobalt and graphite, that are essential to building out clean energy technologies. There is no clean energy revolution without China.\\n\\nWhat would happen if China decided to weaponize its clean energy resources in the same way Russia recently weaponized its oil and gas? Is it possible for the U.S. to end its energy dependency on China by investing in clean energy at home? What does this geopolitical reality mean for the prospect of meeting the world\\u2019s climate goals?\\n\\nOver the past few years, Jason Bordoff and Meghan O\\u2019Sullivan have been at the forefront of mapping out the ways decarbonization will upend the world\\u2019s economic and geopolitical order. Bordoff is the founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University and a former senior director for energy and climate change for the National Security Council under Barack Obama. O\\u2019Sullivan is the director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School and a former deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration.\\n\\nIn Bordoff and O\\u2019Sullivan\\u2019s view, decarbonization won\\u2019t just affect what kinds of cars we drive or how we power our homes. It will transform everything from the nature of international markets and trade relations to the global balance of military and diplomatic power. And it will create new economic superpowers, new alliances and new sources of geopolitical conflict in the process.\\n\\nThis conversation explores the contours of this transformation and what it will mean for the future of the climate and world politics.\\n\\nMentioned:\\n\\n\\u201cThe Age of Energy Insecurity\\u201d by Jason Bordoff and Meghan L. O\\u2019Sullivan\\n\\n\\u201cA Critical Minerals Policy for the United States\\u201d by Meghan L. O\\u2019Sullivan and Jason Bordoff\\n\\n\\u201cBiden\\u2019s Historic Climate Bill Needs Smart Foreign Policy\\u201d by Jason Bordoff\\n\\n\\u201cThe Nuances of Energy Transition Investments\\u201d by Columbia Energy Exchange, with Larry Fink\\n\\nBook Recommendations:\\n\\nThe Prize by Daniel Yergin\\n\\nSilent Spring Revolution by Douglas Brinkley\\n\\nThe Avoidable War by Kevin Rudd\\n\\nHow to Avoid a Climate Disaster by Bill Gates\\n\\nThis episode is guest-hosted by Rog\\xe9 Karma, the senior editor for \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show.\\u201d Rog\\xe9 has been with the show since July 2019, when it was based at Vox. At Vox, he also wrote and conducted interviews on topics ranging from policing and racial justice to democracy reform and the coronavirus pandemic.\\n\\nThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.\\n\\nYou can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.\\n\\nThis episode of \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d was produced by Rog\\xe9 Karma. Fact checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Rog\\xe9 Karma. The show\\u2019s production team also includes Emefa Agawu, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.'