b'Ultimately, the Gaza war protests sweeping campuses are about influencing Israeli politics. The protesters want to use economic divestment, American pressure and policy, and a broad sense of international outrage to change the decisions being made by Israeli leaders.\\n\\nSo I wanted to know what it\\u2019s like to watch these protests from Israel. What are Israelis seeing? What do they make of them?\\n\\nAri Shavit is an Israeli journalist and the author of \\u201cMy Promised Land,\\u201d the best book I\\u2019ve read about Israeli identity and history. \\u201cIsraelis are seeing a different war than the one that Americans see,\\u201d he tells me. \\u201cYou see one war film, horror film, and we see at home another war film.\\u201d\\n\\nThis is a conversation about trying to push divergent perspectives into relationship with each other: On the protests, on Israel, on Gaza, on Benjamin Netanyahu, on what it means to take societal trauma and fear seriously, on Jewish values, and more.\\n\\nMentioned:\\n\\n\\u201cBuilding the Palestinian State with Salam Fayyad\\u201d by The Ezra Klein Show\\n\\n\\u201cTo Save the Jewish Homeland\\u201d by Hannah Arendt\\n\\nBook Recommendations:\\n\\nTruman by David McCullough\\n\\nParting the Waters by Taylor Branch\\n\\nRosalind Franklin by Brenda Maddox\\n\\nThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.\\n\\nYou can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.\\n\\nThis episode of \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d was produced by Claire Gordon and Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Kristin Lin. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Efim Shapiro and Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show\\u2019s production team also includes Annie Galvin and Michelle Harris. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Lydia Polgreen, Dalit Shalom and Sonia Herrero.'