b'This past year, we\\u2019ve witnessed considerable progress in the development of artificial intelligence, from the release of the image generators like DALL-E 2 to chat bots like ChatGPT and Cicero to a flurry of self-driving cars. So this week, we\\u2019re revisiting some of our favorite conversations about the rise of A.I. and what it means for the world. \\n\\nToday\\u2019s conversation is with Sam Altman. He\\u2019s the C.E.O. of OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT. When I talked to him in June 2021, ChatGPT was still over a year away from being available to the public for testing. But the A.I. developments since then have only increased the salience of the questions Altman raised in his 2021 essay \\u201cMoore\\u2019s Law for Everything.\\u201d \\n\\nAltman\\u2019 argument is this: Since the 1970s, computers have gotten exponentially better even as they\\u2019re gotten cheaper, a phenomenon known as Moore\\u2019s Law. Altman believes that A.I. could get us closer to Moore\\u2019s Law for everything: it could make everything better even as it makes it cheaper. Housing, health care, education, you name it. \\n\\nBut what struck me about his essay is that last clause: \\u201cif we as a society manage it responsibly.\\u201d Because, as Altman also admits, if he is right then A.I. will generate phenomenal wealth largely by destroying countless jobs \\u2014 that\\u2019s a big part of how everything gets cheaper \\u2014 and shifting huge amounts of wealth from labor to capital. And whether that world becomes a post-scarcity utopia or a feudal dystopia hinges on how wealth, power and dignity are then distributed \\u2014 it hinges, in other words, on politics.\\n\\nMentioned: \\n\\n\\u201cMoore\\u2019s Law for Everything\\u201d by Sam Altman\\n\\nRecommendations: \\n\\nCrystal Nights by Greg Egan\\n\\nThe Last Question by Isaac Asimov\\n\\nThe Gentle Seduction by Marc Stiegler\\n\\n\\u201cMeditations on Moloch\\u201d by Scott Alexander \\n\\nThoughts? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. Guest suggestions? Fill out this form.\\n\\nYou can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of \\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.\\n\\n\\u201cThe Ezra Klein Show\\u201d is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rog\\xe9 Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.'