New lockdown orders across the country have come at a crushing time for small business owners told to close — while big box stores stay open. Jolanta Petrycka and Regan Bueti, who run independent businesses in Toronto and Winnipeg, discuss their fears around losing vital holiday period revenue. We also talk to Dan Kelly, president and CEO of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business, and Dr. Vinita Dubey, associate medical officer of health for Toronto Public Health.