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Published: Nov. 17, 2022, 6:12 p.m.

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I \\u201cmet\\u201d Charlie when he wrote to gently correct me on some nonsense I\\u2019d said on the podcast about climate change. I could tell from the content of his email that he knew what he was talking about, and I could tell from the tone of his email that he was a good dude. So I asked if he\\u2019d be willing to join me to talk about climate change next time I was in the area (he teaches at University of California, Irvine). Eventually, it came to be. Then we had dinner.

Intro music \\u201cBrightside of the Sun,\\u201d by Basin and Range. \\u201cWeather With You,\\u201d by Crowded House; Outro: \\u201cBetter World,\\u201d by KnowMads.

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