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Published: Aug. 13, 2019, 9:07 p.m.

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Kevin is one of the smartest, most thoughtful people you\\u2019ve never met. His 15 minutes of fame came when he and his daughter were featured on a TV show, focusing on his technique of helping her overcome fear by balancing on his hand. Formerly a leader in the world of Techno Optimism, being a dad has led him to rethink some of his previous positions. We talk about everything from God to AI to drugs to the importance of podcasting.

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Music: \\u201cBrightside of the Sun,\\u201d by Basin and Range; \\u201cStudebaker,\\u201d by Jordan Zevon; \\u201cSmoke Alarm,\\u201d by Carsie Blanton.

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