The Waves: What the Debate Over Pregnant People Is Really About
b'On this week\\u2019s episode of The Waves, Slate\\u2019s news director Susan Matthews talks with Slate writer and community manager Evan Urquhart about the phrase, \\u201cpregnant person.\\u201d What started as an effort to be inclusive of transgender men has devolved into an argument that at times has become transphobic. Susan and Evan unpack what\\u2019s going on with this \\u201cdebate,\\u201d and, later in the show, get into more productive ways to be a trans ally, the perils of the health care system, and how to better include trans and nonbinary people in coversations about them.\\n\\nIn Slate Plus, Evan and Susan talk about the Torrey Peters novel, Detransition Baby.\\n\\nAdditional Reading:\\xa0\\n\\u201cWords for Every Body\\u201d by Ray Briggs and B R George\\n\\u201cShould feminists talk about \\u2018pregnant people\\u2019?\\u201d by Jennie Kermode\\n\\u201cYou Can Still Say \\u2018Woman\\u2019 But You Shouldn\\u2019t Stop There\\u201d by Irin Carmon\\n\\u201cBIPOC or POC? Equity or Equality? The Debate Over Language on the Left\\u201d by Amy Harmon\\n\\u201cHealthcare avoidance due to anticipated discrimination among transgender people: A call to create trans-affirmative environments\\u201d by Luisa Kcomt, Kevin M. Gorey, Betty Jo Barrett, Sean Esteban McCabe\\n\\nRecommendations:\\nSusan: Kiese Laymon\\u2019s book Heavy and Laymon\\u2019s The Ezra Klein Show interview with Tressie McMillan Cotton.\\nEvan: The \\u201cbest game of 2021\\u201d Inscription and Metroid Dread for the Nintendo Switch.\\xa0\\n\\xa0\\nPodcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.\\xa0\\nSend your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices'