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We invite you to explore one of our previously aired episodes: a conversation with Dana Gioia.

In this episode, I am joined by the poet and critic Dana Gioia to discuss Charles Baudelaire\'s famous book of poems, Les Fleurs du Mal, or The Flowers of Evil.\\xa0 We tackle some big questions in this episode, such as whether and how evil can be beautiful, the nature of Catholic art and poetry, original sin, and the poet as a damned figure.

I hope you enjoy our conversation.

Dana Gioia is an internationally acclaimed poet and writer. He received a B.A. and M.B.A. from Stanford and an M.A. from Harvard in Comparative Literature.\\xa0Gioia has published five full-length collections of verse, most recently\\xa0(2016), which won the Poets\\u2019 Prize as the best new book of the year.\\xa0His third collection,\\xa0(2001), was awarded the American Book Award.\\xa0An influential critic, Gioia has published four books of essays. His controversial volume,\\xa0(1992), was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle award. Gioia has also edited or co-edited two dozen best-selling literary anthologies, including\\xa0An Introduction to Poetry\\xa0(with X. J. Kennedy) and\\xa0Best American Poetry 2018. His essays and memoirs have appeared in\\xa0The New Yorker, Atlantic, Washington Post,\\xa0New York Times, Hudson Review, and\\xa0BBC Radio.\\xa0Gioia has written four opera libretti and collaborated with musicians in genres from classical to jazz. His work has been set to music by Morten Lauridsen, Lori Laitman, Dave Brubeck, Ned Rorem, Paul Salerni, and numerous other composers. He collaborated with jazz pianist Helen Sung on her vocal album,\\xa0Sung With Words\\xa0(2018). His dance opera (with Paul Salerni),\\xa0Haunted, premiered in 2019.\\xa0Gioia also served as the California State Poet Laureate from 2015 to 2019. During his tenure he became the first laureate to visit all 58 counties of California. His statewide tour became the subject of a BBC Radio documentary.

Jennifer Frey is the incoming inaugural dean of the Honors College at the University of Tulsa. Through Spring of 2023, she served as\\xa0Associate Professor of Philosophy at\\xa0the University of South Carolina and as a fellow of the Institute for Human Ecology at the Catholic University of America. She also\\xa0previously served as a Collegiate Assistant Professor of Humanities at the University of Chicago, where she was a member of the Society of Fellows in the Liberal Arts and an affiliated faculty in the philosophy department. Frey holds a PhD from the University of Pittsburgh\\xa0and a B.A. from Indiana University-Bloomington. She has published widely on action, virtue, practical reason, and meta-ethics, and has recently co-edited an interdisciplinary volume,\\xa0Self-Transcendence and Virtue: Perspectives from Philosophy, Theology, and Psychology\\xa0(Routledge, 2018).\\xa0Her writing has also been featured in\\xa0First Things,\\xa0Fare Forward,\\xa0Image,\\xa0Law and Liberty,\\xa0Plough,\\xa0The Point, and\\xa0USA Today. You can follow her on Twitter\\xa0\\u2060@jennfrey\\u2060.

Sacred and Profane Love\\xa0is a podcast in which philosophers, theologians, and literary critics discuss some of their favorite works of literature, and how these works have shaped their own ideas about love, happiness, and meaning in human life. Host Jennifer A. Frey is inaugural dean of the Honors College at the University of Tulsa. The podcast is generously supported by The Institute for Human Ecology at the Catholic University of America and produced by Catholics for Hire.