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In this episode, I am joined by the poet and critic Dana Gioia to discuss Charles Baudelaire\'s famous book of poems, Les Fleurs du Mal, or The Flowers of Evil.\\xa0 We tackle some big questions in this episode, such as whether and how evil can be beautiful, the nature of Catholic art and poetry, original sin, and the poet as a damned figure.

I hope you enjoy our conversation.

Dana Gioia is an internationally acclaimed poet and writer. He received a B.A. and M.B.A. from Stanford and an M.A. from Harvard in Comparative Literature.\\xa0Gioia has published five full-length collections of verse, most recently\\xa099 Poems: New & Selected (2016), which won the Poets\\u2019 Prize as the best new book of the year.\\xa0His third collection,\\xa0Interrogations at Noon\\xa0(2001), was awarded the American Book Award.\\xa0An influential critic, Gioia has published four books of essays. His controversial volume,\\xa0Can Poetry Matter? (1992), was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle award. Gioia has also edited or co-edited two dozen best-selling literary anthologies, including\\xa0An Introduction to Poetry\\xa0(with X. J. Kennedy) and\\xa0Best American Poetry 2018. His essays and memoirs have appeared in\\xa0The New Yorker, Atlantic, Washington Post,\\xa0New York Times, Hudson Review, and\\xa0BBC Radio.\\xa0Gioia has written four opera libretti and collaborated with musicians in genres from classical to jazz. His work has been set to music by Morten Lauridsen, Lori Laitman, Dave Brubeck, Ned Rorem, Paul Salerni, and numerous other composers. He collaborated with jazz pianist Helen Sung on her vocal album,\\xa0Sung With Words\\xa0(2018). His dance opera (with Paul Salerni),\\xa0Haunted, premiered in 2019.\\xa0Gioia also served as the California State Poet Laureate from 2015 to 2019. During his tenure he became the first laureate to visit all 58 counties of California. His statewide tour became the subject of a BBC Radio documentary.

Sacred and Profane Love\\xa0is a podcast in which philosophers, theologians, and literary critics discuss some of their favorite works of literature, and how these works have shaped their own ideas about love, happiness, and meaning in human life. Host Jennifer A. Frey is an associate professor of philosophy at the University of South Carolina. The podcast is generously supported by The Institute for Human Ecology at the Catholic University of America and produced by Catholics for Hire.