40: Fish Psychology

Published: Aug. 27, 2016, 9 p.m.

Musician John Roderick talks with his friend Dan Benjamin about spending the day in your sleeping uniform, predator eyes, owls, television station sign-offs, "Alaska Is", the Catholic Debate Squad, the time his dog ran away, the challenge of being a human being, a humanist, the benefit of religion and political ideology, and fish psychology.