The international presence of the permaculture movement has always been an inspiration to me and in today\u2019s interview I had the pleasure of talking with Nelson Lebo of the Eco School in Whanganui in the north island of New Zealand. Nelson first reached out to me after hearing about some of our similar experiences on this podcast and I became fascinated with the development of his own farm with the unique factors in his area of New Zealand.\n\nIn this interview Neslon speaks in depth about why he prefers to work with severely degraded land rather than pristine ecosystems, and the challenges of \u201cpermaculture triage\u201d on a limited budget. From there we explore how he approaches the building and development of systems and models that are replicable and scalable and that also are economically viable. We also talk about adapting to severe weather, the \u201ctime\u201d dimension within design, and the urgency of farming as if our children\u2019s lives depend on it\n\nThis is a remarkably broad reaching interview, bear with me for the couple minutes of rough audio as Nelson was recording his side from his local public library\n\nResources:\n\ntheecoschool.net\n\necothriftylife.com