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The guys are joined by Glen Phillips to discuss his 2005 solo record "Winter Pays for Summer.\\u201d\\xa0 Plenty of other discussion including barriers to entry, working with Dan Wilson and John Fields, goat yoga, the different meanings of \\u201cReleased,\\u201d song circles, \\u201cSecrets of the Deep\\u201d, triggers of anxiety, being judged in front of a room of people, Kate Bush, and songs Glen might not play live anymore.\\xa0\\xa0

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