S1E7 with Gareth Kay
b'This is a conversation with Gareth Kay. He was the Chief Strategy Officer at Goodby Silverstein and Partners before founding Chapter SF. They are a new style of creative agency, bringing together product design and brand communications. We talked about the path that led him to advertising, the rush of working at creative powerhouses, and what it\\u2019s like to build an agency that doesn\\u2019t really do advertising anymore.'