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\u201cHistorically, there's no such thing as a pure tradition. And I also think as human beings, we transcend these religions and we transcend these cultures. And so the cherry picking is an affirmation of our transcendence. It's like, no, you are more than your religious tradition. You are more than your culture. You are more than your body. And you are also your body and your religion and your culture. Yes, yes, yes, all that. But you are also more. So I think, again, the power of the modern period is that we're all so super connected and in communication with everything that we know that, we know that in a way that we didn't know that, you know, four or five-hundred years ago.\u201d\nSo says Jeffrey Kripal, who holds the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University. Jeff is the author of many, many, many books that span a massive academic career\u2014books on Kali, books on Gnosticism, and books on supernatural phenomena. He\u2019s also the author of a short and immensely readable book called The Flip: Who You Really Are and Why it Matters, which is the focus of our conversation today. As an academic and historian of comparative religion, Jeff writes and speaks beautifully about the way that we\u2019re losing our collective stories, and the way that we\u2019re splitting ourselves apart, divided between the sciences and the humanities. In The Flip, Jeff recounts how both science and spirituality are using different languages to explain and explore the same experiences, and what emerges when \u201cThe Flip\u201d happens, those often mystical moments when the minds of scientists across time have cracked open to see the world in a different way. I loved this book and I love Jeff\u2019s wide-ranging and yet imminently approachable and kind mind\u2014I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation as much as I enjoyed having it.\n\nMORE FROM JEFFREY KRIPAL:\nThe Flip: Who You Really Are and Why it Matters\nThe Superhumanities: Historical Precedents, Moral Objections, New Realities\nJeff\u2019s Website\n \nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\n \n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices