\u201cYou want to find yourself? Give. We're not hungry for what we're not getting. We're hungry for what we're not giving. And then at the same time, you watch this old pattern of guarding what you have and of watching your mother take the leftovers and your mother taking leftover food and taking the piece of cake that broke in half while it was being served and taking the lesser car and taking whatever time is left for her to get her needs met. And so, you know, all truth is a paradox. And that's really what I believe is that I really, really give, but because I'm healing the codependence, I'm healing the self doubt, I'm giving from a place that is abundant because I live in gratitude. I notice how much I have been poured into, crazy love from a number of different directions. And I give that away. I don't give from my place of deprivation.\u201d\nSo says Anne Lamott, the eternally wise, prescient, and deeply human writer so many of us wish we could call in times of need. Anne is the author of 20 books\u2014yes 20\u2014including the New York Times bestsellers, Help, Thanks, Wow; Dusk, Night, Dawn; Traveling Mercies; and Bird by Bird, which is essential reading for every writer. I refer to and cite her advice all the time. Anne is also a Guggenheim Fellow. Her latest book\u2014and the subject of today\u2019s conversation is Somehow: Thoughts on Love that revolves around the William Blake line: We are here to learn to endure the beams of love\u2014and how hard this is.\xa0\n\nMORE FROM ANNE LAMOTT:\nSomehow: Thoughts on Love\nBird by Bird: Some Instructions on Writing and Life\nDusk, Night, Dawn: On Revival & Courage\nHelp, Thanks, Wow: The Three Essential Prayers\nTraveling Mercies: Some Thoughts on Faith\nFollow Anne on Instagram\n \nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\n \n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices