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Ken Wilber's work and intellect is difficult to describe. Throughout a long career\u2014and the authoring of 20 books, including A Brief History of Everything, Grace and Grit, Sex, Ecology, Spirituality, and The Religion of Tomorrow, Wilber has put together what is essentially a synthesis of every psychological model of development. In fact, he locked himself away for years, writing every model down on pieces of yellow legal paper, and then knit them all together. I\u2019ve written about Wilber\u2019s work at length in my newsletter, which is also called Pulling the Thread\u2014I\u2019ll put links in the show notes\u2014and I talk about his work on this show as well. Most recently, I talked about Ken Wilber with Nicole Churchill in our conversation about Spiral Dynamics. Wilber is a Spiral Dynamics wizard, though he uses it in aggregate with the work of other developmental thinkers, integrating the work of luminaries like Carol Gilligan, Robert Kegan, and others.\xa0\nIn today\u2019s conversation, we talk about Wilber\u2019s brand new book, Finding Radical Wholeness, which explores the five big processes we all undertake in our lives. In today\u2019s conversation, we mostly talked about two: Waking Up and Growing Up, which are often conflated. Wilber makes the case for why they are unrelated processes\u2014and the essential nature of the latter. While Waking Up, or having a Satori experience is wonderful\u2014and something that 60% of people report\u2014we all need to grow up. Wilber and I spend most of today\u2019s conversation talking about our political environment from the standpoint of developmental psychology: Why we\u2019re so fractured, and what it will look like when the Integral Stage becomes the leading edge of culture and we learn how to include and transcend. I think this is fascinating, and reassuring, and excellent context for a moment that feels so out-of-control.\n\nMORE FROM KEN WILBER:\nFinding Radical Wholeness\nA Brief History of Everything\nSex, Ecology Spirituality\nTrump and a Post-Truth World\nThe Religion of Tomorrow\nGrace and Grit\nMore books from Ken Wilber\n\nMore from Pulling the Thread Podcast:\n\u201cThe Basics of Spiral Dynamics\u201d with Nicole Churchill\n\u201cOur Collective Psychological Development\u201d with John Churchill\n\nMore from Pulling the Thread Newsletter:\nTranscend and Include\nEmbracing Nondual Thinking\nRight Doing\nAscending and Descending\nStates vs. Stages\n \nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\n \n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices