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"Part of what happens when human beings experience difficulty is the same difficulty, the same fact pattern, can resonate very differently for different human beings. And so, part of what happens when a human being encounters a challenge is not just, Oh, you hurt me, but it's how do I make meaning of the fact that you hurt me. Is it that there's something wrong with you? Is it that there's something wrong with me? Is it we should never have been involved in the first place? Is it that I need to fight and stand up for myself so that never happens again? Is it I need to make myself really small so that never happens again? So type is about how I made meaning of a challenge that happened to me early in life and because of the way I made meaning of it, that's how my adaptive strategies arose."\nWelcome to the first part of a four-episode special on metaphysical systems. These episodes don\u2019t build on each other, per se\u2014you can cherry pick what\u2019s interesting to you\u2014but they all go together. In this first set of systems, we\u2019ll explore the Enneagram, Asterian Astrology, Human Design, and Tarot. Today, we\u2019re kicking it off with Enneagram, specifically as interpreted by my dear friend, Courtney Smith, who is, quite frankly, one of the smartest people I know.\xa0\nI heard Courtney might be one of my soulmates for years before we finally met\u2014not only because we have the same taste in people (we have many dear mutual friends), but also because she\u2019s an Enneagram genius, and the sort of person who is happy to talk about G.I. Gurdjieff and the Fourth Way at a cocktail party. Courtney has a robust coaching practice\u2014individuals, executive teams, women\u2019s groups\u2014where she integrates the Enneagram, which she studies under Russ Hudson, along with trainings from the Conscious Leadership Group, the Alexander Technique, and the Work of Byron Katie. She also adds her own perception and raging intelligence. Courtney is brilliant, particularly at assessing systems on both the micro and macro level, and she\u2019s also exceptionally warm, excavating all of our human foibles and patterns for the treasures of promised growth. My favorite part of Courtney though is that she plays against type: I love finding the mystical and metaphysical in a woman who has a degree in mathematical economics from Wake Forest, a masters in Public Health from New York University, and a J.D. from Yale Law School. Courtney also worked as a consultant at McKinsey & Co. Okay, let\u2019s get to our conversation.\n\nMORE FROM COURTNEY SMITH:\nCourtney Smith\u2019s Website\nFurther Listening on Pulling the Thread:\nASTROLOGY: Jennifer Freed \u201cA Map To Your Soul\u201d\nENNEAGRAM: Susan Olesek \u201cThe Power of the Enneagram\u201d\n \nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\n \n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices