b"\\u201cPeople have always fought against anyone trying to impose power on them or trying to assert their status on them. That is true right throughout history, from written records onwards, certainly, you know, we have evidence of it, even in some of the most misogynistic societies on the planet, like ancient Greece, for instance. You can still see in legal records, for instance, or in written records, this tension, male anxiety, and women pushing back, you know, that is a kind of constant all the way through. And, not least, we have societies in which women do have more power and that is not seen as remarkable or weird in anyway by those societies themselves.\\u201d\\nSo says Angela Saini, an award-winning science journalist who is one of my favorite guides through topics that are sticky\\u2014and sometimes icky\\u2014and also defining, like the origins of highly problematic race science, and the way the scientific field has come to understand and codify what it is to be a woman. In her first appearance on Pulling the Thread, she talked about science as fact\\u2014and then \\u201cscience\\u201d that becomes ripe with human bias and interpretation. As humans, we can really mess things up.\\xa0\\nAngela has written two books interrogating the divisive politics embedded in the science of human difference, Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong\\u2014and the New Research That's Rewriting the Story and Superior: The Return of Race Science. I\\u2019m most excited about her latest book, though: It\\u2019s called The Patriarchs: The Origins of Inequality and it\\u2019s about the origins of inequality. As she explains, patriarchy was not our predetermined fate. It\\u2019s not biological, or natural, or inevitable. And women have been resisting our oppression ever since.\\nHer book is loaded with fascinating insights, many of which we explore.\\xa0\\n\\nMORE FROM ANGELA SAINI:\\nThe Patriarchs: The Origins of Inequality\\nInferior: How Science Got Women Wrong\\u2014and the New Research That's Rewriting the Story\\nSuperior: The Return of Race Science\\nWatch her 2019 BBC Documentary: Eugenics: Science's Greatest Scandal\\nAngela's Website\\nFollow Angela on Instagram\\n \\nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\\n \\n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices"