b"\\u201cEverything we heal, we mature, we develop in ourselves, is never just for ourselves only. It's always also eco-systemically relevant. So if somebody becomes more open, it will affect all the relationships that person has in life. So all the relationships will begin to enjoy or benefit from the fact that I grow, everybody that knows me benefits from my growth because it will nourish all those relationships. So we are always ecosystemic and individual at the same time.\\u201d\\nSo Says Thomas H\\xfcbl, who I\\u2019m thrilled to welcome back to Pulling the Thread\\u2014our first conversation, entitled \\u201cProcessing Our Collective Past,\\u201d is one of my favorites to date, although today\\u2019s conversation doesn\\u2019t disappoint either. In Thomas\\u2019s new book Attuned: Practicing Interdepence to Heal Our Trauma\\u2014and Our World he explores the idea of being present, or creating the internal capacity to host the experiences of others. He mentions this line from Fares Boustanji which sums it up: \\u201cTo get in contact with the other, you have to be in contact with yourself.\\u201d\\nThomas H\\xfcbl is a spiritual teacher, but his particular genius point is holding space for large groups, groups that can then begin to process and transmute dark, dense energy\\u2014energy that\\u2019s often held by traumatized culture and places. He has worked all over the world, because this stuck energy is\\u2026everywhere: And when we fail to acknowledge and move it, we\\u2019re stuck, repeating karmic cycles.\\nIn Attuned, Hubl explains what we can all gain from getting in touch with our ability to host the experiences of others. As he writes: \\u201cWhen I speak to groups or before an audience at an event, it is not enough that I show up knowing what I wish to say. To be effective, I must be in dialogue with the whole, and therefore aware of the group or the audience as a dynamic system. Only noticing what is happening for me is not enough; I must be able to accurately feel with and adapt to the needs of my listeners. I need to clearly sense my participants\\u2019 degree of availability and curiosity. I also need to perceive whether and when I am being heard and received\\u2014or what else might be needed or present. The clarifying of the relational matrix comes with expanded awareness and offers an acceleration of our coming-into-relation. This is the leading edge of communication and leadership, and it requires deeper awareness of the intersubjective space from all.\\u201d This sounds like something we all need.\\n\\nMORE FROM THOMAS H\\xdcBL:\\nThomas\\u2019s First Pulling the Thread Conversation: Processing Our Collective Past\\nAttuned: Practicing Interdepence to Heal Our Trauma\\u2014and Our World\\nHealing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds\\nThomas H\\xfcbl\\u2019s Website\\nFollow Thomas on Instagram\\n \\nTo learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy\\n \\n Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices"