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In today\\u2019s Solidarity Fridays episode, after a short and much-needed break, Kyle and Joe return, but don\'t really touch on any news. This time, they have a very open conversation largely focused on philosophy and capitalism.
They dive into a lot of philosophical questions: are we reducing the mystical to the medical? Do we understand enough about spirit and somatic energies to measure them? How much are therapists and sitters interpreting mystical experience and assigning meaning to it for others vs. teaching people how to interpret it themselves? What makes a God? Is commodifying the sacred bad? And what makes something sacred other than it being significant? And the classic: What is good?\\xa0
They also touch on Harvard School of World Religions\' year-long series on psychedelics and the future of religion, the Divine Command Theory, James Kent\'s DoseNation podcast series, Charles Eisenstein and the concept of deflationary money, the billionaire pledge, triple bottom line thinking and other ways to incentivize employees to make businesses closer to co-ops, and why not all capitalism is bad. Lastly, Joe highly recommends Tom O\'Neill and Dan Piepenbring\'s book, CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, which touches on MKUltra, the Phoenix Program, how the government used Charles Manson, and how the drug war was a logical consequence of the paranoia of the U.S.S.R. and communism toppling the USA and capitalism.
Notable Quotes
\\u201cComing from the somatic world, our bodies- I think, sometimes we dismiss that and maybe might call that a little \\u2018woo woo,\\u2019 but how is your body an actual instrument that can help you understand maybe what\\u2019s going on? It\\u2019s firing a bunch of signals all the time, right? Information is just coming in and we have to try to make sense of it. Is it an appropriate instrument to try to learn how to discern the information that\\u2019s coming in? Could we finely tune that?\\u201d -Kyle
\\u201cIt\\u2019s helpful to have diagnostic categories, but I think we\\u2019re taking the diagnostic categories a little too seriously and making them a little too real. A diagnostic category is not as real as a glass of water in your hand. One\\u2019s real concrete, one\\u2019s real abstract. Both are helpful at times. Both could be harmful, depending on what you do with the glass.\\u201d -Joe
\\u201cA lot of folks want to just use psychedelics and escape the world, like the \\u2018drop out\\u2019 thing. Like, \\u2018I\\u2019m just going to be with the spirit world.\\u2019 But it\\u2019s like, what good is you being with the spirit world if you\\u2019re not having any impact on the world world?\\u201d -Joe
\\u201cBeing hubristic enough to say that \\u2018I have an answer\\u2019- that\\u2019s where I see the problem. Being willing to engage in conversation with people with a lot more experience with this kind of thing is probably where it\\u2019s at. Like, ok, let\\u2019s talk to 4-5 economists and see what their opinion is. Maybe talk to some professional ethicists to see what their opinion is. I don\\u2019t think anybody is going to have the answer, but by hearing all of those perspectives, we can learn more.\\u201d -Joe
Links
James Kent\\u2019s DoseNation podcast
The Myth of Mental Illness: Foundations of a Theory of Personal Conduct, by Thomas S. Szasz
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