A hitchhiker's guide to Washingtons new abnormal

Published: June 5, 2023, 9:42 p.m.

What happens when the \u201csideshow characters\u201d of national politics are suddenly thrust onto the main stage? And in a post-Donald Trump Washington, where are they now?


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Ben Terris has spent years covering politics via the people on the fringe: operatives who aren\u2019t well known but are key to understanding how Washington works. 


When a former reality TV show host became president, suddenly some of those political oddballs were running things. Terris\u2019s book, \u201cThe Big Break: The Gamblers, Party Animals, and True Believers Trying to Win in Washington While America Loses Its Mind,\u201d details the stories of people such as Sean McElwee, the pollster-turned-political-gambler who fell out of favor in Democratic circles, and Ian Walters, a longtime conservative communications director who broke with his closest friends after they staunchly backed Trump.


In today\u2019s episode, Terris recounts the characters he met covering the Trump administration and how they\u2019ve changed the face of power in Washington.