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First ladies are among the most powerful advisers in any White House and Jill Biden is no exception. On this episode of Deep Dive, host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza is joined by NYT White House correspondent Katie Rogers, who recently published\xa0 \u201cAmerican Woman: The Transformation of the Modern First Lady, from Hillary Clinton to Jill Biden,\u201d an authoritative account of how this century\u2019s first ladies have influenced the nation.\xa0\nRyan and Katie discuss Jill Biden and Melania Trump\u2019s roles in staffing, campaigning, and policy decisions; sensitive items from their times in the White House, such as Melania and Donald\u2019s prenup; and whether or not Jill Biden has ever forgiven Kamala Harris for what she said about Joe in 2020. Additionally, Katie opened up about the time her editors at the New York Times sent her to Arkansas and forced her to report a story about the Bidens that she didn\u2019t want to cover \u2014\xa0and how it ended up forcing Jill and Joe to confront an uncomfortable truth about their family.\nRyan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Katie Rogers is a White House correspondent for The New York Times.\xa0Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.\xa0Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices