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I met Nathan at Victor Wooten\\u2019s Spirit of Music camp. We were talking about random stuff and Nathan said he runs a research firm and investment fund in which he focuses on volatility to understand the dynamics of markets, which he said relates to music in that volatility is really just vibrations, like music. So, I knew we had to do a podcast interview.

Nathan grew up in a musical family; both of his parents played music. Nathan distinctly remembers seeing some kid play a drum solo in a talent show in 5th grade and knowing instantly he was going to play drums the rest of his life (he also plays bass and guitar). He is into listening, and sometimes hooks up to an EEG when playing, where he can observe his heart rate, brain waves, and internal rhythms. Nathan says, \\u201cThe groove emerges from listening.\\u201d And being present starts from listening, too. \\u201cEverything emerges from listening and feeling.\\u201d

Nathan says money is like a language; it\\u2019s a medium of exchange that conveys economic intent. Exchanging value is fundamental to cooperation, he says, and that we can express ourselves through money. \\u201cMoney is a tool of communication,\\u201d he says. Music and money are both about expression.

Nathan believes we can think of music as a life form, as Stephen Jay says, and then also as an organism, and the same could be said about money. How markets change is musical, he says. The market is like macro vibrations arising from micro vibrations, and is interrelated to so many things, just like music.

He also says fear manifests in markets, and that humans are often playing out of tune in the markets, because of different national versions of money and tribal mindsets. To get the system operating better, Nathan believes that it starts with listening and understanding flows of money or blocks to the money flow. He says there is a lot of overlap in dynamics of money and music, how things change, the vibrations of the world, and Nathan thinks the markets are more natural than people think. He says we can be more in tune with our vibrations through this understanding.