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A remastered conversation from the vault with a former New York City health commissioner, who regarded her work as part of a broader fight for social justice, not surprising given her family history: her parents are lifelong activists who met at a demonstration against a segregated restaurant, my idea of a love story. We spoke at the Van Alen Institute in 2017 about public health and urban design. Music: Sam Reider. Plus a bonus segment from Garry Trudeau. It all fits together. Really.